Whereas a social worker comes into a poor home and looks around and sees just the normal poverty that our system has foisted on people and says: Oh, well, clearly this is somebody that needs to be stripped out of here. Mackenzie told the police her mother had pushed her down the stairs and struck her in the face. It was literally just like: She was arrested and her daughter is hospitalized. As youve had time to sort through this, what do you think was driving Penn to go through this process, which they had to know, at some level, would cost them? The battle between her and the school was chronicled by Rachel Aviv in the New Yorker earlier this month. And theres also literature thats economic literature versus sociology, different fields have different perspectives on what that relationship between foster care and the criminal justice system is and what the causes are. [22] It went into greater detail about her past, providing more substantiation for her abuse allegations from teachers, fellow students and their parents, Carrie Brandt (the police detective who had investigated and arrested Morrison) and her allegations that Morrison had enabled Lovelace's sexual abuse. "Was the problem that a child who was placed into foster care and had no contact with her biological mother wasn't actually a first-generation college student? Nothing I have is persuasive to these people. Thats not in question. She began to realize that she had no sense of identity. And I think its striking to read that back and just see how clearly distressed and distraught I was in continuing to push on that series of questions about a really traumatic experience. And now they have to face the fact that someone who looks like them, who shares all these identities with them, could be the source of all of this harm. So I could imagine why at some point youd be like, you know what, Im just not going to keep taking Ls here. OSC referred the recommendation to an SP2 panel to make a final determination; she has subsequently appealed the decision. Shes lying, shes a spoiled brat, this, that, and the other which looking back at the time I just felt absolutely horrible. And in the U.S., there is much more pressure to pull kids out of homes, right? If you speak, Im going to disconnect you from the call. MF: So to me it was pretty clear that it likely came from them. "[2], When Fierceton returned to the St. Louis area on vacations and breaks, she stayed with friends. [2][e], A spokesman for the D.A. We want to think of it as: If you were ever rich, youre always rich; if youre ever poor, youre always poor. And whats the difference between the U.S. and English system? She added the additional detail that at the time of her first hospitalization, Fierceton had just failed her first AP Chemistry test. But when you're filling out a box where it's "yes" or "no" and there's no more information or "kind of!" [3], Before that happened, Fierceton withdrew from the scholarship on her own. And so they had to see some benefit to them in doing this. That they would forward charges to the federal government of wire fraud. There, she wandered the hallways until she found the history teacher, and collapsed. The University of Pennsylvania on Tuesday announced it will stop withholding a master's degree from Mackenzie Fierceton, the former student at the center of a recent New Yorker magazine. To me, it seems like any reader of the English language would read that in a literary sense , of its self-exploration, self-doubt, trauma. And I was having flashbacks to cross-examinations and depositions Id given about this which later made sense, because we found out that Wendy White had spoken with one of Carries defense lawyers. Fierceton was released after four days. Like what does Penn say when you tell them: Hey, the Penn official who helped me fill this out said that these are the categories that I fit. Not as something that is for the benefit of the MacKenzies, the people who were being brought into the school, but actually for the benefit of the university itself, its image and also for the students. There were definitely, Im sure. And then the focus shifted to the second box. Mackenzie Fierceton was named Penn's 2021 Rhodes Scholar. Fierceton said later that she had never used the word "poor" to describe herself or her childhood. She bounced from one foster home to the next. He was earlier arrested in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Penn's report notes that Fierceton disputes this account. Yeah. But that was definitely a driving force for why I decided, ultimately, to withdraw because I felt like: OK, federal prison is no joke. Later, another Whitfield parent Morrison had talked to told this woman that she believed Fierceton had done this to get admitted to an Ivy League college, an idea which she found preposterous. She had bruises all over her body in different stages of healing an obvious sign of child abuse.. After her mother left, Fierceton got out of bed, found a spare set of keys and drove herself to school. [2], Two months later the COVID-19 pandemic emerged. And at the time I was like: Why what? [2], One day in September 2014, she told the history teacher about Lovelace's abuse. It's from there the story unraveled. RG: Like questioning: How much blood? How much research has been done on the foster-care-to-prison-pipeline? And I dont remember exactly what their statement was, but they disputed it. Fierceton grew up in a wealthy community and attended an elite private school in a St. Louis suburb. "[2], Fierceton answered yes. And many more vicious sentiments. [3], By the end of the interview Fierceton was crying. And so can you talk a little bit about your research? But those definitions arent anywhere to be found. [2], At the beginning of the next school year, Fierceton was examined by her pediatrician, who noticed a large bruise on her arm but chose not to X-ray it, a decision the doctor later regretted. Its a very under-researched field. So they heard from her and immediately they call you into a meeting with the deputy provost at the time, Beth Winkelstein . Like questioning: How much blood? Not as something that is for the benefit of the MacKenzies, the people who were being brought into the school, but actually for the benefit of the university itself, its image and also for the students. RG: I think for a lot of us, we have to sort of other poverty and abuse and put it in a box, partly, to protect ourselves. And I think psychologically one way people feel safer about it is to say: No, that happens to other people. "I advised him that this was ridiculous, and this had to be a 'status thing", she said. But it was definitely something I saw happening sort of this funneling of kids from the child welfare to criminal justice system. Morrison then brought suit in circuit court to have the board's decision reviewed and reversed. Like there is more attention to systemic poverty and trying to keep children in their homes to begin with, I would say, which is important, because if you can keep kids in their homes, then theyre not in the system and facing that foster-to-prison pipeline. [4] After gathering all the evidence, they approached Driver's widow, Roxanne Logan, who had not been informed of the accessibility issues and delays involved in her husband's death; in fact she had been given the impression he had been evacuated from the building almost as soon as he began experiencing symptoms. And so if its a well-educated white girl from a private school, thats way too close to home for a lot of these elites. And when will you have finished up your Ph.D.? Asked about Lovelace's alleged sexual abuse, specifically an incident the year before where Fierceton, having fallen asleep in her mother's bed, woke to find him caressing her breasts, Morrison expressed amusement at the possibility that her boyfriend could have mistaken her teenage daughter for her; Lovelace, interviewed separately, denied all the allegations. And they released this quote-unquote report in April of 2021 with their findings. I identify with the FGLI umbrella term and definitely being a low-income student, but Ive never really called myself a standalone first-generation. Who are your biological family? And then theres also foster siblings in the sense of other people who are in the foster care system who youre living with. It was more, I think, in the times after and the months after where I ended up like giving different medical records and all of these things to corroborate my account, but there were a few questions that were very specific to what had happened. But in this application they had two questions which are to determine financial aid. And then there was this other foster sibling who was the biological kid of the foster parents I was staying with, and spelling it out in that way. So normally the term FGLI, its just an umbrella term for both. But its interesting because most of the questions are about these applications and then the second half is when it turns to these questions of the abuse. Our greatest desire is that Mackenzie chooses to live a happy, healthy, honest, and productive life, using her extraordinary gifts for the highest good." Its a very under-researched field. Raised in Chesterfield, Missouri, a West County suburb of St. Louis, she attended and graduated from the Whitfield School in Creve Coeur. But I got a bit of pressure from Penn to do that. You had mentioned that you actually made a transcript of your interview with Deputy Provost Finkelstein shortly after the conversation. [2], Local police were called. The article by reporter Rachel Aviv was called How an Ivy League School Turned Against a Student, and it tells the story of an extraordinary battle between Mackenzie and the University of Pennsylvania. You have a good education and youre clearly smart. If you enjoy this podcast, be sure to also check out Intercepted as well as Murderville, which is now in its second season. At Oxford University, Mackenzie Fierceton will conduct research on the "foster care-to-prison" pipeline. In the presence of her mother that night at their house, Mackenzie repeated the same story to a visiting caseworker, who appeared to accept it. In 2019, Fierceton testified in a court hearing that, in September 2014, her mother allegedly pushed her down a set of stairs and hit her in the face several times. [2], For her senior year, Whitfield gave Fierceton a full scholarship. So to me it was pretty clear that it likely came from them. Fierceton said that when she had applied to SP2 as a sophomore she had cleared it with the school's associate director of admissions, who told her that a student's biological parents were not relevant to that definition, and said the same thing in 2020 (Penn's OSC interviewed the associate director and SP2's associate director for financial aid whom Fierceton said she had a similar conversation with; neither remembered speaking with Fierceton about the issue)[1]:111112). Im curious, having dealt with so many people along the way, who are questioning your story, how do you feel like the boxes play into this? And especially, again, like these stereotypes of black and brown, low-income families, the knee-jerk reaction is like: Oh, well, theyre unequipped to be a parent. I think there were almost 30 of those letters again, very similar to who had given statements in the past to corroborate my abuse as well as leaders in the FGLI community saying yes, we started this community. Yeah. Mackenzie, for her part, was accepted to the University of Pennsylvania and, in her sophomore year, won a Rhodes Scholarship. Mackenzie Fierceton was championed as a former foster youth who had overcome an abusive childhood and won a prestigious Rhodes Scholarship. Later in the year she wrote online that the name change gave her "ownership of her identity" and a sense of agency she had not had before in her life. Its, in my opinion, because they get overlooked and the kids like me are kind of rendered invisible by the privileges of our biological families. So, yes, an article came out in the local paper saying that she had been arrested. So the Rhodes Trust ended up after their quote-investigation, and I submitted all the evidence, they ended up still recommending that my scholarship be rescinded, uh, but I had another opportunity to respond to their report, which I absolutely wanted to do. And Im like: I dont know what else I could give them that would possibly convince them if their belief is as a 15-year-old, 16-year-old was journaling about my experience of abuse and hiding it in an air vent, and it was actually secretly all a plan to like accuse my mother of abuse and go into foster care so I could have a sad story. [2] Morrison's bond was originally set at $40,000, but lowered to $5,000 over prosecutors' strenuous objections. She petitioned the court, and was able to successfully have her name removed, with a judge ruling that there wasnt enough evidence to substantiate the abuse allegations specifically, saying, While it is possible that Petitioner was the cause of the alleged injuries, the court cannot make that finding by a preponderance of the evidence based on the evidence presented.. MF: So thats the background of him. [i] Ruderman corroborated that later to The New Yorker, saying she was paraphrasing Fierceton's self-identification as FGLI. Instead, I want to talk more about what this says about the system, that something so seemingly irrational could be produced by this system, and actually could be predicted to be produced by this system in some ways. [2], "Family is not the people you are related to by blood," she wrote in the diary. And just Deputy Provost Finkelstein saying: No. RG: And so when you applied for your masters in social worker or sociology? And I think its true. RG: Mhmm. The dean of SP2 told Penn otherwise, but Fierceton noted that the school had never shared what its definition was. 2020 College graduate Mackenzie Fierceton (Photo from Mackenzie Fierceton). And so I was like, of course, Im going to respond again. She considered the advantages and disadvantages of reporting her mother, but ultimately feared she might not even be believed, as her mother would tell people she was mentally ill or lying. In the transcript, I wrote it was really just focused on: What happened the night you went into foster care? Fierceton. The show was mixed by William Stanton. And its striking to see just the continuing to push of what happened. And so was it later, in a different conversation where they asked about the line in the essay about not being able to recognize yourself or is there some illusion to that in the transcript that you found? [3], After the interview White emailed Morrison about how it went; she wrote back regretting that Fierceton continued to tell the same story. But while OSC allowed that it may not have been Fierceton's explicit intent to deceive, she had still done so, particularly when checking "yes" on the question on her SP2 application as to whether she was the first in her family to attend college (Fierceton stands by her reliance on Penn's definitions of FGLI on the Penn Plus website and the applicable federal laws; the university says that question is "composed of ordinary words with everyday meanings, and it makes no reference to any term or definition appearing in any other publication. MF: And that is, I felt very defeated too. And thats an unfortunate reality so many survivors experience, not having a lot of documentation. Its practically half of Americans, or more. Like what does Penn say when you tell them: Hey, the Penn official who helped me fill this out said that these are the categories that I fit. Is it as well explored territory as a school-to-prison pipeline? According to Fierceton, her mother pushed her down the stairs and then beat her extensively at the bottom. And do you know Linda Tirado? She was abused, but there is not enough blood." RG: And did they say anything along those lines? How do I do that in a succinct way when theres a very short word count and youre trying to fit everyones experience in?And so I didnt really think about: Oh, I need to say: This foster sibling who was in the foster care system. And again, people, including Penn administrators, have the perception of I think the stereotype and my friend Anea Moore, whos a Rhodes Scholar and graduate of Penn who founded Penn first or co-founded it had a really great quote in The New Yorker about we arent all, quote-unquote something along the lines of like impoverished, inner city kids who go to crumbling public schools as the wider media portrays us to be. MF: No, I found it before. And now they have to face the fact that someone who looks like them, who shares all these identities with them, could be the source of all of this harm. And theyll openly talk about this. By the end of the year she was in a third foster home. [23] In mid-April, Penn released Fierceton's master's degree. And its mentioned briefly. She entered foster care only at the age of 17, after making a complaint of abuse against Dr.. She is suing Penn for defamation, arguing its real goal in investigating her was to discredit her as a witness in and retaliate for a wrongful death suit filed against the university by the widow of a fellow student which Fierceton instigated. But it was just kind of this rapid fire of: If we look at your medical records, are we going to see you had broken ribs and severe facial injuries? ", When Penn's Office of Student Conduct confronted Fierceton with the discrepancy between her statement on two of her applications that she ", The exact definition of FGLI relevant to forms Fierceton filled out is a key point in the Rhodes Trust and Penn investigations of her. "[20][m] A syndicated morning radio show named Fierceton its "donkey of the day". [2], The fine was later withdrawn after it was found to conflict with a provision of the university's charter prohibiting the imposition of fines in cases involving academic integrity. Her mother was a doctor and Fierceton attended a prep school, but she was. Why would I do that? She was then admitted to Penn on a full scholarship, where she identified as a first-generation low-income (FGLI) student despite her background due to her estrangement from her parents and lack of financial support from them, a classification she says Penn officials told her was acceptable in those circumstances. There were three instances of attempted contact from her family or foster family. "Without her trauma, she didnt matter", wrote a commentator in the Tulane Hullabaloo. Did they make that threat in writing or was that . And it became pretty clear to me that there had been a very similar delay in his care, but even worse dynamics. But I think a lot of it stems from the current policies and practices of federal and local funding and what kind of programs theyre funding for kids. [2], The next morning, when Fierceton awoke, Morrison told her she was taking her car keys and telling the school she was sick. And thats an unfortunate reality so many survivors experience, not having a lot of documentation. MF: Its hard to say. Thats been my understanding of it. And so the fact that shes continued pursuing you to me kind of demonstrates the entire case. Mackenzie Fierceton has lost her Rhodes Scholarship and her University of Pennsylvania master's degree is being held after an anonymous tipster called out alleged inaccuracies in her school. [2], Some of those Morrison talked with did believe her; a classmate of Fierceton's recalled people likening her to the protagonist of the film Gone Girl, about a Missouri woman who disappears in order to avenge herself on an adulterous husband, whom she makes it appear killed her. But it did open with these literary elements of what I was feeling like, and the experience I was having in those moments. His master's level university, Ivy College Pennsylvania, also failed to grant him the acquired master's degree . Two weeks into the school year, she realized she had been wrong. Whereas a social worker comes into a poor home and looks around and sees just the normal poverty that our system has foisted on people and says: Oh, well, clearly this is somebody that needs to be stripped out of here. One, Michael Raffaele, said he believed Morrison was trying to leave Fierceton with no other options. And, in this case, almost everyone who was involved in the university administration are upper middle class or very wealthy, highly academically educated white women. The reporter had assumed based on her status as a FGLI student which stands for first-generation, low-income that she had been poor her entire life. Jay Caspian Kang sounded similar themes in two different New York Times newsletters discussing Fierceton's story. They didnt respond, though Mackenzies biological mother has denied the allegations of abuse. She helped SP2 assistant professor Toorjo Ghose draft and promote a petition in support of Police Free Penn, an activist group calling on the university to cut its ties with the Philadelphia Police Department over its poor relations with the largely black and Latin residents of the West Philadelphia neighborhoods around the university's campus, and rethink its own police department, the largest private one in the state. In November 2020, Mackenzie Fierceton was one of just 32 students to be awarded the Rhodes Scholarship to study at Oxford. MF: You know, I believe the first people who said that was the Rhodes Trust. Attached were copies of the Missouri court orders expunging Morrison's arrest and removing her name from the DSS registry. And then as the different internships, and then I went to get my masters in social work and all of this happened, I started to see that continue in different capacities while I was in different roles, seeing that theme in this relationship between foster care and the criminal justice system. Like you said, I was called into a meeting. [4] It took nearly an hour, during which Fierceton seized intermittently and never completely regained consciousness, for her to be taken to the hospital. Mackenzie is the soap's first transgender character, added to the series after Stone wrote to executive producer Jason Herbison to pitch the character. Morrison had told the admitting physician that she had not been present when her daughter was hurt but believed she had fallen down the stairs in the house, which the hospital accepted as the likely cause, even though her fearfulness was also noted. Like one of them was describing a biological child in a house as another foster child, and something about a half-brother or something.What were those and how were those errors kind of deployed against you? Why were you in the hospital that long? And I didnt get an answer. Yes. The fact that they even challenged that really does expose a lot of whats going on here because I assume in their mind, theyre saying: Well, she went to this private school; she had a nice house; her mom probably drove a nice car maybe you even drove a decent car! And theres also literature thats economic literature versus sociology, different fields have different perspectives on what that relationship between foster care and the criminal justice system is and what the causes are. "We have concluded that there is a basis for serious concern and that further investigation by the Rhodes Committee may be appropriate", she wrote. And thats again, like not because there isnt abuse or neglect going on in families that looked like mine, or biological families that looked like mine. [1]:111112, Penn's investigators asked Fierceton why she had pretended to be asking on another's behalf when she made her queries within the university. [Laughs.] I asked specifically about those boxes and the answer I got was again, this was multiple years ago, but it was something along the lines of I dont think that biological parents are relevant to this. And if you read it aloud, its almost exactly the length of the phone call. [1]:115 As to her previous involvement with the child welfare system, Penn says Fierceton told them she was not certain, but she was referring either to the guardian ad litem appointed for her during her parents' divorce or an earlier incident when she and her biological parents were still living in Connecticut. Felt very defeated too just focused on: what happened championed as a former youth. 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